Turning off XP loss/gain as an option?

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

That's why I always quit by the end of week 1 maximum every league

just want to leave this quote here, it speaks for itself.

Yep it sure does, its proof that exp loss makes me quit the game early every single time. Again, if that mechanic wasn't in the game, maybe I'd play for longer even after spending 52 divines poofing 1x Apothecary and buying 2200 Stacked Decks. Which is what I did this league. Just sold all the currency I had,converted it all to chaos then to divines with Faustus(using the rates he defaults to ofc) and gamba'd it all away cus I was bored lul

Seems whole topic without any real arguments.

Only I die, I lose, I leave, from the guy perspective whos trying to get rich by gambling.

If there not death penalty for exp, level 100 mean nothing in game. Closed.

It's personal achievement to reach level 100.

I have passed driving license, where is my car ? This your logic. Those who leaving game for one or another "reason" they usually leave it anyway, just with another reason.

When you see a player with level 100, you know he spent time in game and achieved it.

Easy feast of level 100 just make game awful, bots will get use of it, scammers will get use of it.
Now usually scammers are low level, you can sense those, a character that they don't care to lose.

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withouttaboo#5622 wrote:

Easy feast of level 100 just make game awful, bots will get use of it, scammers will get use of it.
Now usually scammers are low level, you can sense those, a character that they don't care to lose.

That's not how that works. They are low level because the minimum level to be allowed to trade is 25. Since they are multi-boxing with multiple accounts, leveling one back after the other gets banned is rather easy. They already have level 100s that they use to mule stuff to their RMT accounts. It'd change nothing. That argument makes no sense and is dead in the water.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

That's why I always quit by the end of week 1 maximum every league

just want to leave this quote here, it speaks for itself.

Yep it sure does, its proof that exp loss makes me quit the game early every single time. Again, if that mechanic wasn't in the game, maybe I'd play for longer even after spending 52 divines poofing 1x Apothecary and buying 2200 Stacked Decks. Which is what I did this league. Just sold all the currency I had,converted it all to chaos then to divines with Faustus(using the rates he defaults to ofc) and gamba'd it all away cus I was bored lul

Why are you so obsessed with leveling to 100 to begin with lol. If you're already lvl 99 that extra skill point won't make much of a difference. The real progression is the gear improvement not that 1 extra skill point so why do you even care?

I don't think the xp loss has anything to do with your enjoyment of the game and I doubt it would change anything for you if they removed it. The difference between lvl 99 and 100 is so inconsequential and irrelevant that I find it literally impossible for it to be the gatekeeping factor that is keeping you from enjoying the game.

I would suggest you think about it some more and consider what is ACTUALLY keeping you from enjoying the game, because I can guarantee you would not, in fact, play for longer if you were lvl 100 instead of 99. I mean, I can perfectly relate, I usually get bored 1-2 weeks in as well, but that has nothing to do with level or progression. If you've been playing this game for many years like I have (which seems to be the case), it's quite natural to get bored pretty fast. New content is fun and all but at its core it's still the same game.

Removing the xp penalty would improve absolutely nothing neither for you nor any other player because most of the power isn't in the few skill points that you get at the end, it's in the gear you can't afford. So even if you made it to 100 in crap gear, you would never be able to do any of the juicy endgame content. Then you'd start complaining that the 6 portal system is "gatekeeping you from enjoying the game" and it should be removed so we should have infinite portals.

If you're so desperately stuck on the idea of levelling to 100, gear appropriately so you won't die as often, buy a couple omens, squeeze huck on your atlas and run some breach/beyond, simple as that.

to start with i appreciate the passion some of you have and expressing your point of view.. what i feel i have to say at this point is this.. ok it seems there's a philosophical implication underlying a certain point of view which sarno, cowmoo & others seem to believe is truth which to be honest just comes off as elitist, and self-serving.. i'll admit.. i'm not that great at poe.. games have mostly been a way for me to relax from every day pressures life.. that's what they are good for imo.. if i had more time to play games.. perhaps i would be more inclined to agree with those who love the hamster wheel grinding the final levels of experience in path of exile currently is.. but i don't.. i can't tell you how many days i come home from work.. exhausted.. but exited to have a few hours to relax and play games.. and end up staring at poe information trying to learn how to climb the next hurdle.. then not really accomplishing much of anything.. etc.. boo hoo right? i'm not looking for sympathy.. i don't really care what anyone thinks about my gaming skill.. it's simply something i do at leisure.. and however great of a gamer you think you may be.. poe is a very attractive game to even a new player given the time to invest in it.. that has nothing to do with how punishing it is.. in fact much of the game is very obviously encouraging you to play more and get rewarded for it.. so what's the point? just that the developers of the game listen to feedback and want to make there players happy, i'm a player, and i will support the game as it's provided some value to me..

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Exiliest#5062 wrote:

point of view which sarno, cowmoo & others seem to believe is truth which to be honest just comes off as elitist, and self-serving..

I find it amazing that you can label us as elitist and self serving....when we are NOT the ones demanding the entire game be changed to suit our personal brand of "fun".

In this last post, you outlined a few things that directly contradict your own views:
"poe is a very attractive game to even a new player given the time to invest in it"
"if i had more time to play games.. perhaps i would be more inclined to agree with those who love the hamster wheel grinding the final levels of experience in path of exile currently is.. but i don't.. "

Okay....you don't like grinding to 100. But presumably with that other line, you like a heck of a lot of all the rest of the game? So then.....don't make grinding to 100 one of your personal goals. Have fun doing all the other things you have fun doing in PoE. Eventually, level 100 will even start to just "happen", as you gain more experience and die less.


Put yourself in the shoes of someone complaining about another "hamster wheel" aspect of this game: grinding for gear. If they personally don't like how hard it is to get mirror-tier gear, and they were to come on these forums and ask for a toggle to increase loot 1000%, or ask for loot in general to be buffed 1000% simply because THEY personally cannot achieve the goal they set for themselves.......would you not consider than an elitist perspective?

Perhaps we need to brush up on what "elitist" truly means....it means that someone's opinion or thoughts are "more correct" than others, and therefore more deserving of attention.

Those who are outlining the simple fact that the exp penalty has been a foundational element of this game since its creation, and there is no reason to change it isn't being elitist. I'll let you in on a secret: I have only created 1 level 100 character in my entire time playing PoE. You know how many characters I've built to 95+? Thousands. No Exaggeration. How much of my "fun" has been impacted by not being level 100 and also dying and losing exp? Exactly Zero%.

It is under your personal control to decide how you want to enjoy the game. The reward for level 100 is not so earth-shattering that it is "mandatory" for everyone to achieve to enjoy the game. It is Elitism to demand the game be changed to suit yourself, with no other rationale beyond "it feels bad for me". That is the true problem: there isn't and hasn't been a cogent BROAD argument for why the exp penalty being removed would be a good thing for everyone / the game at large. That is what we are missing.

cowmoo are you good?

i am not demanding anything.. i'm just expressing an idea.. i'm just a player after all..

and tbh you seem to have a hostile attitude which doesn't make for very good conversation..

i understand your point of view.. i just don't agree with you.. sorry?

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Felix44#4475 wrote:

Why are you so obsessed with leveling to 100 to begin with lol. If you're already lvl 99 that extra skill point won't make much of a difference. The real progression is the gear improvement not that 1 extra skill point so why do you even care?

Its not lvl100, I could do 50x lvl83 Sanctum Tomes for a whole afternoon of farming and get it easily.

I just don't like how bad it feels to lose exp and see the exp bar go backwards. So I want exp loss gone because it feels bad and I don't like it, that's the only reason. Yeah I could ignore it by getting to lvl100 in a boring way, or spending multiple divines on 5-way rotas but that's just a chore at that point, its not fun.

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Exiliest#5062 wrote:

ok it seems there's a philosophical implication underlying a certain point of view which sarno, cowmoo & others seem to believe is truth which to be honest just comes off as elitist, and self-serving..

Can I ask why you believe I am elitist?

Because I have never once argued that level 100 should be available to some but not others - which would be my understanding of the term. I have merely argued that it should be something one consciously chooses to pursue, and temporarily changes their behaviour in a bid to achieve it.

It is immensely frustrating to be smeared in such a fashion.

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Exiliest#5062 wrote:

cowmoo are you good?

i am not demanding anything.. i'm just expressing an idea.. i'm just a player after all..

and tbh you seem to have a hostile attitude which doesn't make for very good conversation..

i understand your point of view.. i just don't agree with you.. sorry?

Sorry... You are right, you were much more polite than others. I'm hostile more from the others and not your suggestion.

I disagree with it, but not hostile towards you for suggesting it. I am in the same boat as Sarno though when it comes to being labeled as "elitist" simply for stating why the existing game state is good and has remained for over a decade.