Why is the game so HATED? And how to fix that (in my opinion)

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hypochrist#0488 wrote:

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SalamiHaze#9389 wrote:

If it felt like a job it worked as supposed. If it felt frustrating it worked as supposed. I don`t get what is unclear about that. You literally signed for highly optional, grindiest "achievement" that is mandatory/helpful for nothing. Such "achievement" cannot be justification for any change in any core rule. So, If you want to change hitting 100 experience - i don`t give a fuck about that. Just stay away from xp loss.

I couldn’t disagree more. Even I, who actually like the game a lot, felt a sense of disgust while going from 99 to 100. But I wanted my two main characters to hit level 100 because I felt they deserved it. That’s on me though, and it’s not even the point. I’m giving feedback for the game, not for myself.

We shouldn’t mix up difficulty with pain. I’ve played a lot of Dark Souls — it’s difficult, but never painful. The satisfaction of fully beating the game was way more intense than hitting level 100 here.

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XP loss… honestly, whatever, if you really think about it. It just means it will take more time. You can run safe maps with 2 mods, manipulate the game and eventually make it. There’s no real challenge there. It's okay to do that, that's what I did with my first 100 and then it made me realise. Wait a second.

It feels like a hollow achievement.

I hope then end game changes will be significant to enhance challenge and fun, instead of pain and 'hardwork'

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SalamiHaze#9389 wrote:

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hypochrist#0488 wrote:

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SalamiHaze#9389 wrote:

If it felt like a job it worked as supposed. If it felt frustrating it worked as supposed. I don`t get what is unclear about that. You literally signed for highly optional, grindiest "achievement" that is mandatory/helpful for nothing. Such "achievement" cannot be justification for any change in any core rule. So, If you want to change hitting 100 experience - i don`t give a fuck about that. Just stay away from xp loss.

I couldn’t disagree more. Even I, who actually like the game a lot, felt a sense of disgust while going from 99 to 100. But I wanted my two main characters to hit level 100 because I felt they deserved it. That’s on me though, and it’s not even the point. I’m giving feedback for the game, not for myself.

We shouldn’t mix up difficulty with pain. I’ve played a lot of Dark Souls — it’s difficult, but never painful. The satisfaction of fully beating the game was way more intense than hitting level 100 here.

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XP loss… honestly, whatever, if you really think about it. It just means it will take more time. You can run safe maps with 2 mods, manipulate the game and eventually make it. There’s no real challenge there. It's okay to do that, that's what I did with my first 100 and then it made me realise. Wait a second.

It feels like a hollow achievement.

I hope then end game changes will be significant to enhance challenge and fun, instead of pain and 'hardwork'

You shouldn`t mixup dark souls challenge with 100lvl challenge. One has zero relation to grind while the second is 100% about grind. It literally is about taking more time without real challenge by definition. It is, as you said a hollow achievement and always will be. No endgame change will revolve around it because it`s not even endgame. Think about it for a second. When You bypass 95 Your build is pretty much done and whole content cleared. Me at that point - new char/build or just end of season. You - signs up for literally most trivial/miserable "challenge" in the game because "you feel your char deserves it" xdddd and then use it as justification that game shouldn`t punish your mistakes, goddamn dude.

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hypochrist#0488 wrote:

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SalamiHaze#9389 wrote:

It’s wonderful and fun to strive to be the best in your own way.

However, it would be a better decision to pursue that goal in a game other than this one.

All you’ll end up with is a missed opportunity in life.

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Dude, Everybody see the game their own way but for me 5 nodes make a huge difference I want my chars to be as close as perfect as possible.

The way to get to that needs more challenge, fun and less optimizing the game like an excel spreadsheet. Most players are unhappy about then endgame, casuals and hardcore alike.

It’s wonderful and fun to strive to be the best in your own way.

However, it would be a better decision to pursue that goal in a game other than this one.

All you’ll end up with is a missed opportunity in life.