Time for GGG to step up and stand up against trade bots

Ever since asynchronous trade was introduced, it was surely to bring out some bad factors along with it. By now it's pretty widely known on the playerbase of the existence of trade bots and seems like they are one's go to way to securing anything lucrative on asynchronous trade.

Mirage impued maps with originator influence are one of those things.

Full well knowing I wouldn't be able to catch any of them, I tested the live search for these for past 15 to 20 minutes. Literally every single map was bought even before they even hit the trade site.

This was the theme in PoE2 last season, it's the theme right now in PoE1. It's time to actually do something about it GGG or it will become the preferred method of all of playerbase 'cause you don't get punished for it.

Edit: The maps pointed out are the ones below market price naturally, not all of them.

If you're doing full mirage originator maps you should be able to afford the extra 5c to pay for the market price of the map.

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Felix44#4475 wrote:

If you're doing full mirage originator maps you should be able to afford the extra 5c to pay for the market price of the map.

Not the point of the post.

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what exactly is GGG supposed to do with it? Legitimate question.

To the OP: this was precisely why asynch trade was not a thing for the vast majority of the lifetime of this game: they KNEW botting would be more of a problem with an automated system. But the players incessantly begged and begged and begged and begged for asynch trade for years.

And then what happens when its finally introduced? Players are pissed that the very predictable outcome.....was the outcome.

I don't totally agree that botting is a major problem, nor do I agree that GGG isn't doing anything against them (bots get banned ALL THE TIME)....I just think technologically and mechanically you simply cannot "win" the battle against bots. You can only set up as many roadblocks as possible. Synchronous trading was the best possible roadblock we ever had, and that's gone now.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

I don't totally agree that botting is a major problem, nor do I agree that GGG isn't doing anything against them (bots get banned ALL THE TIME)

Banning a bot in a f2p game is same as doing nothing. GGG for 100% has tools to track down where the merchandise is going and they need to go after those accounts. Nobody is scared for their f2p bot being banned and obviously too few main accounts are being locked up 'cause it isn't deterring the action.

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CycMarques#3199 wrote:

GGG for 100% has tools to track down where the merchandise is going and they need to go after those accounts.

are you for real? There isn't a "central" account that controls bot accounts. They are all individual accounts, which get banned regularly. There's also free technology that completely masks or changes your location should you choose to. I hardly think GGG has government-level encryption breakers on their team that they want to send out to tackle one bot at a time.

Are you saying GGG should break tons and tons of international and national laws and start going after people or websites beyond the game by tracking their internet usage, IP information, and come after them personally? Or should they spend all of their income and their time fighting legal battles with various faceless websites that use their logos inappropriately, that they likely would never EVER win or even benefit from?

And websites: you think GGG is really going to start going after WEBSITES? Do you have any idea how....pretty much impossible that is? When's the last time you attempted to pick a legal fight with Google? Or saucylittlechickens dot com?

GGG could attempt to sue the holder of a website: but then guess what? They shut down the website and a brand new one by the SAME entity could come right back. And it would require a brand new legal case because now it would have a different name. Much like botting, its essentially trying to fight a hydra.

What in the world....you do realize this is a video game company right? Obviously...they know these things exist, there just isn't anything they can do about it. Welcome, one and all, to this thing called the "internet"


It's pretty clear you people have no sense of what you are demanding or asking for, what botting even is or how it's done, what basic and intermediate programming and internet usage is, and any of the steps GGG HAS taken to minimize this "issue". You wanna see some REAL rampant bot action? Travel back in time to the 1990s to about 2010-2012. Back before "always online" was a thing.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

And then what happens when its finally introduced? Players are pissed that the very predictable outcome.....was the outcome.

Correction: a very small portion of players are surprised and outraged that this has happened - specifically only the flippers and the snipers. Most people couldn't care less.

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Felix44#4475 wrote:

Correction: a very small portion of players are surprised and outraged that this has happened - specifically only the flippers and the snipers. Most people couldn't care less.

you are absolutely right. I accept the correction

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

It's pretty clear you people have no sense of what you are demanding or asking for,

Pulling up straw man arguments out of your ass and labeling some group as "you people" is pretty lousy way to act yourself on discussion boards.

Central account? Going after websites? Breaking internation laws? What are you smoking? Accusing people of not knowing how botting works while pulling lawsuits into discussion...

Runescape has been active for a lot longer than PoE has existed, with a much larger and consistent player base, and Jagex continues to struggle fighting bots in a F2P game.

What makes you think GGG will fare any better?

I'm not saying GGG should do nothing, but dedicating significantly more time and resources fighting bots will just result in significantly more time and resources being wasted.

I'm glad asynch trade is in the game. It's done so much to improve my experience instead of wasting so much time spamming trade requests hoping someone will actually respond. I'm glad that awful chapter is behind us.