implement the potential to conduct polls among the community. anyone with an account gets a vote.

this would be a rare thing. but a poll on the question of "do you want faster
or slower?" or "do you want to add a weapon tier, or have us improve less
used skills?"

the forums have their opinions, and the louder and more controversial
get the most attention for good or ill. the question to be polled should
be your questions, arived at internally and based on community division.

it might be best to ask us occasionally about fundemental aspects
of the games development, and what our preference would be.

this would not have to do with trivial matters, and it would not
be frequent. perhaps 2 months into a new league you ask a question,.
or every new years eve. actually 2/3 of the way through a league
is a good time. thats when opinions are well founded. experience gained.

you might not be looking at the next league. but the one after.
if you cant adapt league for league, then plan for every second league to
integrate new perspectives and methodologies. and also jargon. add some jargon.

I was too critical of mirrage. i dont like it, but it works. and you guys will
get better with experience.

This assumes they don't already have all the data they need: # of people playing the game, skill breakdown, item usage, etc.

That data is far more valuable than any arbitrary poll of a small subset of players that may not even tell the truth.


It also assumes they would even care about such subjective results: the game is what they want it to be.....not what YOU want it to be, or the average poll-able player.

The only thing that matters that tells the developers whether there decisions are the right ones are retention, $$$, and total players. The specifics matter very little.

Valid polls are also far more complicated to create, especially in a game with so many interconnected systems and varied gameplay.


Go ahead: make a poll and post it in General. See what results YOU get. Then come back here and share exactly what those results mean to the game at large.

The forum already has support for polls.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2098661

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Sarno#0493 wrote:

The forum already has support for polls.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2098661

I love that you chose that particular historical poll.....because ultimately GGG ignored it rather completely and just removed nets altogether lol.

I'm pretty sure GGG learned very quickly that polls on the forums yield nothing workable for them, so we haven't seen more in years.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

I love that you chose that particular historical poll.....because ultimately GGG ignored it rather completely and just removed nets altogether lol.

I mean.

50% of people said no. Of the remainder, 50% of that said "Yes, but A", and 50% said "Yes, but B."

What do you do with that?

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Sarno#0493 wrote:

What do you do with that?

well yea...that was kind of my point lol. People think polls are a good idea, but I would bet 90% or more of any poll GGG releases would end up with similar unusable data.

And even though the poll presented 3 options, AND GGG did ultimately get a decent chunk to fill it out.......they still went with a 4th option not even polled.

And THAT one was such a narrow question too. The broader the question, the less likely we get actionable results.



Furthermore, OP highlighted the exact problem of such polls in his post: the forums are already notoriously imbalanced (favoring negative sentiments immensely) regarding player opinion. All polls presented to such an "audience" will end up with, at best, an inconclusive poll or, at worst, a poll that offers an invalid and inaccurate representation of the player hivemind.


It would be like going into a clubhouse of people who hate rabbits, and offering them a poll asking them whether rabbits should be kept as pets.

I think if a poll is fundemental and important.
people will loginto forums, be validated as a player
and vote.

if ggg doesnt care what people think about ev vs ar they wont
present a vote on the matter, but if they think adding another act
and giving us nothing for a year is an option. they should ask us.
wait a year for another act? or do some stuff.

I'm honestly a poe2 guy now. it happened very fast.

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AgnosiousD#2205 wrote:

but if they think adding another act
and giving us nothing for a year is an option. they should ask us.
wait a year for another act? or do some stuff.

This has nothing to do with the playerbase. Players didn't "decide" they wanted an Act 4, or an Act 5 - 10, or t17 maps, or nightmare maps, or new pinnacle bosses, etc.

GGG decides when or if they want to change the storyline. They would NEVER ask for input on that subject. And they really shouldn't either.


But that's part of the problem: what you see as a simple binary question isn't nearly that simple, especially if you want a valid response.

As just a minor example: Even something like "Do you want another act?" is not so simple to answer. Nor can it be fairly combined in a poll to the very real opposite camp of "Do you want an alternative to the campaign altogether?".



***It seems you may be talking about polling specifically the PoE 2 crowd. On that note, I have slightly different views. In an open beta, a poll COULD be valuable as the base game is still in design flux. It would need to be presented VERY carefully though. Furthermore the programmer goals of an open beta are wildly different than the goals of a 13+ year old game.

poe2 is a different bird.

what we have here is the future of poe1

I wont be here to speak for you. I am entirely aware
that poe1 is being replaced. I was very upset before
I tried the replacement.

I hope there is a cost effective future for poe1
I look forward to playing it again.

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AgnosiousD#2205 wrote:

poe2 is a different bird.

what we have here is the future of poe1

I wont be here to speak for you. I am entirely aware
that poe1 is being replaced. I was very upset before
I tried the replacement.

I hope there is a cost effective future for poe1
I look forward to playing it again.

I think there is a bit of a language barrier so apologies if I decode your meaning incorrectly.

Unfortunately, your suggestion and your thoughts are making assumptions that players hold "power" they don't have over future development. Furthermore, you don't WANT players to hold that kind of power.

I would bet real $$$ that, for every suggestion you might have for the future of the game, there is another player with the exact opposite suggestion.

The game is what it is, because it was designed by the creative team at GGG. The experts. With access to far more data than we can even begin to decode. If the game heads in a direction you don't like, then that just means its time to find a new game. PoE 2 isn't for me.....I also genuinely hope PoE 1 continues course. But I also know that GGG has had more "wins" than "losses", even in recent PoE 1 history and I trust them to continue.

If the game falls apart...I'll stop playing it.


I always like to use music analogies: say I'm a classical concert pianist, and I'm planning to play a concert series. Why in the world would I "poll" the general audience to determine how I should play my pieces? What could they possibly offer me?