I'm not allowed to play Breach Hive Fortresses. (Melee Sucks)

More specifically, "juiced" ones.

I play melee.

More specifically, Cospri Cyclone.

I am not allowed to play certain content that other people are allowed to play, simply because it's impossible for my archetype. (Ailith dies because my range is too low to keep the enraged waves off of her, if it wasn't yet clear.)




Why even have melee as an option in this game? There's no benefit, at all. Every character has access to the same stuff. The only difference is your range. Does GGG not know wtf to do about this? Have they buried their head in the sand, and the community just decided to adapt and all play ranged builds?

Melee used to at least have Fortify - but ranged also had access to it, and they tried to fix that by having it based on melee damage that you deal, but this renders it useless against big bosses. (Not to mention useless for melee classes that don't deal their damage through their melee attack... ... Also this has nothing to do with my inability to protect Ailith anyway.)




Man this game is like... literally always frustrating, lmfao.

huh? just cyclone around and kill things before they kill her. with that gear you should be able to 1 shot everything while you move around. melee doesnt mean standing still

Yeah, no, lol.




If you haven't played Cyclone since 2007, maybe uhh... you know... don't do drive-by dismissive posts, lol.

My DPS is only about 40m, and that's with the false assumption that all 5 Vortexes from each trigger are hitting the target. (And that's before any negative mods, of course.) Unfortunately, as a melee character, I also have to invest in defenses.

I said juiced maps, not Vanilla Ice maps. 100 deli, 2x wisp scarabs, full explicit atlas, breach enrage scarab... So, no, I can't just "go cyclone the enemies so that they die," lmfao.



They move too fast. They are too tanky. I can only be in one place. If I make Ailith the choke point, she dies, I cannot protect her. Nor can I push an incoming lane out by "just going to attack the enemies until they die to death".

You're right - my gear would make you think there'd be no issue. That's my point. This shit is just so weak, inherently. Ranged builds with 10% of this investment can screen-dump entire maps in 20 seconds. They can do Uber bosses without even giving a flying shit about the mechanics, because they don't have to be in a specific area - coincidentally the most dangerous area - in order to deal damage. Why is it like this? Why has this been so utterly left in the dust? It's a deliberate choice, and it's completely asinine and nonsensical.




It's really annoying to have an issue with the game, and the first post is "have you tried killing the enemies though???"

skill issue. i mean you had trouble with a really simple sirus guardian fight. i still remember that video you posted of yourself failing the fight over and over. if sirus guardian is too difficult for you then maybe dont do juiced hive fortress. just a thought.

bait?

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Druidenjoyer#0031 wrote:

skill issue. i mean you had trouble with a really simple sirus guardian fight. i still remember that video you posted of yourself failing the fight over and over. if sirus guardian is too difficult for you then maybe dont do juiced hive fortress. just a thought.

Well I almost no-death'd Uber Sirus today, but he got me with the illusion attack. I don't really get it, and I'm not going to look it up because anyone can do that, and that defeats the purpose of playing. (However, the game does a very poor job showing you how it works, and GGG literally designs this game expecting players to look everything up. It's very lazy.) I'm assuming he has a tell, but it's too hard to see the model details in that mess.

Doesn't mean the fight isn't slop, though. You can get entrapped by the environment and die before the fight even begins, lmao. The way you guys just say "skill issue" about every actual problem with this game is so bad. You're allowed to have a spine and ask for the game to be better, you know. Nobody is giving you cookies for enduring needless nonsense. Nobody ever said, "hey, you know Druidenjoyer#0031? Dude he's so cool, he's totally okay with the Sirus fight. He thinks it's good, OMG, he must be so good at the game!" And nobody ever will say that. So can we get to the part where we try to improve the game, now? You guys fought tooth & nail to keep an auction house out of the game for the same reasons: You think it gives you "hardcore gamer credit" if you don't have nice things in the game. It's so silly. And now that the AH is in the game, we can all see that it's objectively one of the best things ever added to the game. Crazy how all the gatekeepers are so quiet now.




Back to the topic, though, the problem I'm having with juiced hive forts is Ailith. She dies. And my build INHERENTLY cannot protect her. But if you want to send me a video of yourself playing Cospri and defending her in an equally-juiced map, I'd be happy to send you 500x Mirrors, and the legal deed to an island.

Anything you post other than a video of this is just yapping.

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hasatt0#7256 wrote:

bait?

Yeah, but I responded to him anyway.

and changing this to a ranged dps with 40 mill would change exactly what? You're getting overwhelmed because you cannot kill fast enough, it has nothing to do with your attack range. And lets be real, cospri vortex spam is not "melee".

You just don't have enough dps for the level of juice you wanna play. And defenses because of melee? mate you about as tanky as a wet paperbag. my gimp ranged is more tanky than that. Don't go around crying your need to build for def when you actually didn't.

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

... You guys fought tooth & nail to keep an auction house out of the game for the same reasons: You think it gives you "hardcore gamer credit" if you don't have nice things in the game. It's so silly. And now that the AH is in the game, we can all see that it's objectively one of the best things ever added to the game. Crazy how all the gatekeepers are so quiet now...

Good point lol!

not supposed to succeed at juiced breach with low damage

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

100 deli

100% Deli means 96% damage reduction for mobs before anything else.


Thats why you cant do it. Has nothing to do with melee.
You need absurd lvls of dmg to be able to do it and you dont have that.
Plenty ranged builds wont be able to do either.

What makes you think you can win a timed event, if you dont have the lvl of dmg required to do it?