Remove Maven as Mandatory Boss Blockade

Until Today maven is the hardest fight of the regular bosses and it's due to it's mechanic needing good timing with ground degen that are very difficult on console :/ Therefore it's kinda dissapointing that she is blocking the voidstone and the Key ^^ this should get switched arround maybe by sirius or uber elder taking her spot which is way easier ;) Another great change would be to remove the ground degen spots from regular maven making the fight managable on console under 8mil dps as it feels impossible whitout bursting her at the moment -_-

Personally as i gotta farm for a ryslatha i got no progress available as i got not enough damage before to kill maven and whitout t16 maps farming ryslatha is taking forever so my path is blocked from both sides which seems very demotivating ;( on the other hand i killed the new boss first try with 1 portal facetanking him which makes him weaker than t13 essence monster ;/

First: I agree the reliquary shouldn't be locked behind Maven, that's weird.

However, you can definitely kill the maven with much lower DPS than 8mil, even on console.

I am terrible at that fight and I did it with about 2mil this league. I guess it was closer to 3mil with tincture active, but I have very poor uptime.

I recommend watching a youtube tutorial or just practicing the fight in standard. Or even in league, since writs are super cheap this league.

EDIT: Got distracted earlier and forgot to address the "without t16s" part. You know you can get full t16s using ANY voidstone, right? If you get the other 3 aside from Maven, then you have 3/4 of the atlas at full t16, and, with just a few "maps drop 1 tier higher" notables on your tree, you'll get plenty of t16 maps.

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QQPQ#9136 wrote:

First: I agree the reliquary shouldn't be locked behind Maven, that's weird.

However, you can definitely kill the maven with much lower DPS than 8mil, even on console.

I am terrible at that fight and I did it with about 2mil this league. I guess it was closer to 3mil with tincture active, but I have very poor uptime.

I recommend watching a youtube tutorial or just practicing the fight in standard. Or even in league, since writs are super cheap this league.

EDIT: Got distracted earlier and forgot to address the "without t16s" part. You know you can get full t16s using ANY voidstone, right? If you get the other 3 aside from Maven, then you have 3/4 of the atlas at full t16, and, with just a few "maps drop 1 tier higher" notables on your tree, you'll get plenty of t16 maps.

The problem is that i got the other voidstones easy but i'm still missing arid lake beeing a t16 to get better drop rates as the divination card doesn't drop anywhere else :/ with the older atlas all maps upgraded after each voidstones so it was a better progression towards better loot instead of a all or nothing progress ;/

In the maven fight i always find it kinda fun and also fair until the last phase :/ i only died 1 time in the memory game until then which was my fault ;/ but in the last phase it feels impossible to keep up with all the different regens that aren't clear and this just feels bad as a roadblock ;( i had the same with sirius but after fighting him a couple times (and him not beeing invisible buggy) i learned it ^^ The Maven degens in the last phase just feel very unclear how big they are so evading them by moving feels much more difficult than the other voidstone boss.

A great solution would also be to not region lock each voidstone so that i can choose which area i wanna upgrade first so that it doesn't lock out the maven area divination cards for my starter builds

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BBJ-SWISS#9186 wrote:

The problem is that i got the other voidstones easy but i'm still missing arid lake beeing a t16 to get better drop rates as the divination card doesn't drop anywhere else :/ with the older atlas all maps upgraded after each voidstones so it was a better progression towards better loot instead of a all or nothing progress ;/

What are you talking about? You can put a t16 map in the map device on any map in the atlas, regardless of voidstones. The voidstones just upgrade the map *drops* and set a minimum tier.

Bosses in arpgs are often hamstrung and shoehorned mechanically. In POE, it's even worse when they constantly stop gameplay to deliver the same lines of exposition over and over or lock the health bar yellow or have the health bar artificially rise and fall by wide margins. They've stood by these experiences they've created for over a decade without correction. They understand that a system requirement for this game is a fundamental lack of self respect and a curiosity toward suffering. Through that lens, the boss fights are actually rewarding to trivialize because in truth they were always trivial: people on both sides barely care. It's also funny that the meta of the storytelling is like "STOP exploring this game!" because they know you're probably at least lightly addicted.

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QQPQ#9136 wrote:

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BBJ-SWISS#9186 wrote:

The problem is that i got the other voidstones easy but i'm still missing arid lake beeing a t16 to get better drop rates as the divination card doesn't drop anywhere else :/ with the older atlas all maps upgraded after each voidstones so it was a better progression towards better loot instead of a all or nothing progress ;/

What are you talking about? You can put a t16 map in the map device on any map in the atlas, regardless of voidstones. The voidstones just upgrade the map *drops* and set a minimum tier.

Oh i didn't know this ^^ that solves all LOL the UI of the new atlas is still very confusing to me :/

Finally beat Maven as i understand now that the fight is only about the ground degen in the third phase that need to be placed into the middle if you can't do that you lose ^^ learned a lot again thanks for the help :D